How do we prepare the next generation for a world where AI and connectivity are a given?
In this episode, host Ian Ginn welcomes Martine de Leeuw, Co-founder and CMO of Chat License, a startup providing a digital “driver’s licence” for children.
Martina explains the philosophy behind Chat License: a science-backed, gamified app developed with Erasmus University Rotterdam that helps families navigate the transition to a child’s first digital device. Rather than just restricting access, Chat License empowers children with the skills to handle photo sharing, scams, and digital etiquette.
What you’ll learn:
- Why “prevention” is key to tackling cybercrime and digital addiction.
- The role of telcos and cities (like Amsterdam and Rotterdam) in promoting digital citizenship.
- How to have meaningful conversations with your children about their favourite games, like FIFA or Roblox.
- Martina’s advice for entrepreneurs looking to use AI for good.
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Episode sponsored by IFG Consulting Europe– Supporting telcos with tech strategy, digitisation and growth.
Guest Bio:
ChatLicense is a science backed gamified guide that enables digital healthy habits & skills from the start. This first app of the online world of children acts as a ‘driver’s license’ – empowering kids and their parents to navigate the online world safely, wisely, and confidently. Our goal is to foster happy cyber vibes in a world where digital connectivity is a commodity and where rapid developments continue to reshape how we live, learn, and connect. Together, we’re shaping a safer, more positive digital future starting with the next generation. Founder JungleBird Agency While meeting entrepreneurs from all over the world on the same journey towards a better future JungleBird Agency was born. Wherever triple-bottom-line thinking is at heart or just a start, we help increase their impact.
Podcast credits:
- Host: Ian Ginn
- Editor: Francis Wright
- Designer: Rebecca Ginn
- Project manager: Ivana Duric


